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« Reply #480 on: October 13, 2009, 04:45:10 PM »

It is possible to add capacitance meter to this.
But it will not be that accurate without additional hardware.
And I don't have time as of the moment. Sorry.

Thanks for the nice comments Grin .
It is a so pity... But all is equal to thanks for this device. By the way on what frequency there is a measurement?




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« Reply #481 on: October 13, 2009, 08:20:18 PM »

@silvanoservitec   galing  natapos  nyu din
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« Reply #482 on: October 14, 2009, 07:47:49 AM »

By the way on what frequency there is a measurement?

I don't remember it well but is high enough.
I think 100KHz or 250KHz.
The source code was on my laptop and it is not with me right now and I cannot confirm this.
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« Reply #483 on: October 14, 2009, 02:27:07 PM »

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I don't remember it well but is high enough.
I think 100KHz or 250KHz.
The source code was on my laptop and it is not with me right now and I cannot confirm this.
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Thanks! On the size of condenser CX how many is critical? I have put 68 мкф. It is not a lot of?
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« Reply #484 on: October 14, 2009, 07:16:36 PM »

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Thanks! On the size of condenser CX how many is critical? I have put 68 мкф. It is not a lot of?
Cx part is very critical for reading accuracy.
It must have a low ESR.
The capacitance is not really important and can range from 33 to 100uF.
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« Reply #485 on: October 14, 2009, 07:53:57 PM »

Cx part is very critical for reading accuracy.
It must have a low ESR.
The capacitance is not really important and can range from 33 to 100uF.
I use tantalum cap (a drop-type)
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« Reply #486 on: October 14, 2009, 08:01:23 PM »

I use tantalum cap (a drop-type)

That is fine.
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« Reply #487 on: October 15, 2009, 02:52:10 PM »

Hallo friends! Today I tryed supply my ESR-meter from DC-DC step-up (1.5-5V) converter based on NCP1400. It works, BUT I has seen haotic switching figures of the younger category (0.0Х Ohm) is observed both at the closed electrodes and at measurement of condensers. Installation additional filtering condensers has given nothing. From the AC adapter all works normally.
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« Reply #488 on: October 15, 2009, 04:02:54 PM »

@silvano

Nice one...you can add a backlight for LCD..
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« Reply #489 on: October 15, 2009, 08:25:54 PM »

Hallo friends! Today I tryed supply my ESR-meter from DC-DC step-up (1.5-5V) converter based on NCP1400. It works, BUT I has seen haotic switching figures of the younger category (0.0Х Ohm) is observed both at the closed electrodes and at measurement of condensers. Installation additional filtering condensers has given nothing. From the AC adapter all works normally.

Your 1.5V-5V switcher may not work well due to large and fast transients of the circuit during measurement.
Another problem maybe is your PCB layout.
If you have an oscilloscope, check the power rails for sudden dips.

Try also to put a series 10ohm resistor from the regulator and a capacitor after to somewhat isolate the 1.5V-5V switcher from the transients.
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« Reply #490 on: October 15, 2009, 08:38:21 PM »

Your 1.5V-5V switcher may not work well due to large and fast transients of the circuit during measurement.
Another problem maybe is your PCB layout.
If you have an oscilloscope, check the power rails for sudden dips.

Try also to put a series 10ohm resistor from the regulator and a capacitor after to somewhat isolate the 1.5V-5V switcher from the transients.

Ok. Beside of them I will try use LC filter. Firstly I planned to use 2 litium battery (2x3 volt) and low-drop 5v regulator.
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« Reply #491 on: October 16, 2009, 07:45:59 AM »

Ok. Beside of them I will try use LC filter. Firstly I planned to use 2 litium battery (2x3 volt) and low-drop 5v regulator.

Actually the ckt can be powered from a regulated 3.3V power supply.
For this to work, the R19 and R20 voltage divider for the 2V reference must be changed to provide the same 2V reference at this pin.
Also at 3.3V, the LCD can be directly connected to the MCU even without the limiting/protection resistors.
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« Reply #492 on: October 16, 2009, 03:14:10 PM »

Actually the ckt can be powered from a regulated 3.3V power supply.
For this to work, the R19 and R20 voltage divider for the 2V reference must be changed to provide the same 2V reference at this pin.
Also at 3.3V, the LCD can be directly connected to the MCU even without the limiting/protection resistors.
Hallo!
 Your mean that protection resistors must be between data pins LCD and MCU or only between supply (8 pin) and Vdd?
By the way my experiment with LC filter and NCP1400 was successful! Now my ESR-m supply from one AA battery!
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« Reply #493 on: October 16, 2009, 08:02:31 PM »

Question to the author:
Is it possible make changes in programm for make  lower measuring frequency from 100 kHz till 50 kHz. The matter is that for the majority of types of condensers measuring frequency is too high and indications of ESR maybe are not truthful.
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« Reply #494 on: October 18, 2009, 10:17:17 PM »

Friends I built this site russian ESR PIC16F873 x 3 display 7 sec.
Works but has problems of mixing the digits.

Example
By measuring 1 ohm.
it shows 009 ---- 010 ---- repeatedly fast.
The display shows 01.9
For values in the middle of the range is better.
Does anyone have an idea where I could modify the source code for better viewing.
Scale from 0 to 25.5 (points race open).



Stock resistor 1.0 ohm with digit jump in .9 and 1.0.




Stock high ESR capacitor measuring right



schematic:
http://radio-konst.narod.ru/moi_konstrukcii/izm_ESR/izm_ESR.html
http://radio-konst.narod.ru/moi_konstrukcii/izm_ESR/ris1.gif


Source Code

****************************************************************************************
; Ч стот  КВАРЦА=20,0
         #include<p16f873.inc>
          list p=16f873         
          __CONFIG     _CP_ALL  & _DEBUG_OFF & _WRT_ENABLE_ON & _CPD_OFF &  _LVP_OFF & _BODEN_ON  &  _PWRTE_ON  &  _WDT_ON & _HS_OSC    ;Конфигур ция контроллер  _CP_ALL-З щит  з писи всех б нков     ; _CP_HALF  ;_CP_UPPER_256             
              errorlevel      -302       ;не выводить ошибки переключения б нков
;============================================================================================   
;КОНСТАНТЫ
K_ZAD      equ   D'60'            ;Конст нт  з держки перед преобр зов нием =37мкс
;РЕГИСТРЫ
         cblock H'21'
         RF                  ; регистр Фл г  RF=1--0р зряд- индик ция 1 р зряд ,1р зряд- индик ци 2 р зрд.,2р зряд- индик ция 3 р зряд
;         UI                   ;временный регистр для индик ции
         UI1                  ; Регистр- десятичное зн чение мл дшего 1 р зр н  индик цию
         UI2                  ; Регистр- десятичное зн чение 2 р зр н  индик цию
         UI3                  ; Регистр- десятичное зн чение ст ршего 3 р зр н  индик цию
         r_zad               ; Регистр з держки АЦП
         cnt1                  ; Регистр временного хр нения з держки
         cnt2                  ; Регистр временного хр нения з держки
         cnt3                  ; Регистр временного хр нения з держки
         endc
;==============================================================================================      
            org 0               ;Вектор сброс
              goto      START
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------
         org 4               ;Вектор прерыв ния
             retfie
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------      
         org   H'10'
segment   clrf      PCLATH      ; Т блиц  преобр зов ния DEC -> семисегментный код.
          addwf   PCL, F
         dt   03F, 06, 05B, 04F, 066, 06D, 07D, 07, 07F, 06F
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------
START                        ;Иници лиз ция регистров процессор
         bcf       STATUS,RP0   ;Перекл. н  б нк0
         bcf           STATUS,RP1
         clrf        PORTA      ;Обнуляем порт A
             clrf      PORTB      ;Обнуляем порт B
             clrf      PORTC      ;Обнуляем порт C      
             clrf      CCP1CON      ;Выключить модуль CCP
             clrf      TMR2         ;Очистить TMR2

            bsf         STATUS,RP0     ;Перекл. н  б нк1
              movlw     D'49'         ; Уст новк  Период  ШИМ
              movwf   PR2

         bcf       STATUS,RP0   ;Перекл. н  б нк0
             movlw   D'24'           ;Ст ршие биты скв жности
              movwf     CCPR1L      ;
             clrf      INTCON      ;Выключить прерыв ния

            bsf         STATUS,RP0     ;Перекл. н  б нк1
              movlw     B'00001011'     ;Порты RА0,RА1,RA3 н  ввод,RA2,RA4,RA5-вывод
              movwf     TRISA
         movlw     B'00000000'     ;Порты RB0-RB7, н  вывод
              movwf   TRISB
            movlw      B'00000001'     ;Порты RC1-RC7, н  вывод  RC0 н  ввод
              movwf   TRISC
             clrf      PIE1
             clrf      PIE2
         movlw   B'10000000'     ;Н груз.рез.порт  B выкл,т кт генер.н  вход WDT,предд.перед TMR0,коэф.дел=1:1
              movwf   OPTION_REG   
         movlw   B'00000101'     ;Левое выр внив ние,RA0/AN0,RA1/AN1,RA3/Vref, RA2,RA4,RA5-Цифровые
              movwf   ADCON1
 
          bcf         STATUS,RP0    ;Перекл. н  б нк0
             clrf      PIR1         ;Сбросить все фл ги периферийных прерыв ний
             movlw   B'00001100'     ;мл дшие биты скв жности=00, Уст новлен режим ШИМ
              movwf   CCP1CON
             movlw   B'00000100'     ;Коэф предделителя TMR2 1:1; TMR2-включен
              movwf   T2CON
              movlw   B'00000000'     ;Коэф предделителя TMR1- 1:1,от внутр Fosc/4,TMR1- выключить
              movwf   T1CON

         movlw   b'00000001'   ;З груж ем призн к индик ции 1р зряд  в W
         movwf    RF            ;W з груж ем в RF- Регистр фл гов

;==============================================================================================   
CIKL      clrwdt
         call      ZAD_ADC      ;З держк
         movlw  B'10000001'     ;Уст н влив Fosc-32, включ. к н л по RA0/AN0, преобр зов ние для UN1
              movwf  ADCON0    
         call      ZAD_ADC      ;З держк
         bsf      ADCON0,2      ;З пуск ем АЦП-р зреш ем прерыв ние,
R1         clrwdt
         btfsc   ADCON0,2      ;Ожид ем оконч ние преобр зов ния от АЦП. Д -переск кив ем через ш г
         goto   R1
         movf   ADRESH,w      ;Преобр зов нное н пряжение с AN0 з пишем в W

         call      napr_sopr      ;Перекодируем т бличным способом н пряжение в сопротивление
            clrf       PCLATH      ;Обнуление ст ршего регистр   дрес

         call      B_D         ;ПРЕОБРАЗОВАНИЕ ДВОИЧНОГО В ДВОИЧНО-ДЕСЯТИЧНОЕ
                           ;Вывод н  индик цию и уст новк  порядк  индик ции             
         btfss   RF,0         ;проверяем был  1 в 0 р зряде регистр  RF
         goto    EX_UI1         ;НЕТ-индик цию UI1 не выводим
         bcf      PORTC,5      ;ДА-г сим UI3
         movf   UI1,w         ;з груж ем регистр UI1 ->W
         call      segment      ;Преобр зов ние DEC--> в семисегментный код
         andlw   b'01111111'      ;уст новк  м ски для порт  B
         movwf   PORTB         ;Выводим д нные в порт B н  индик цию
         bsf      PORTC,7      ;З жиг ем UI1
         bcf      RF,0         ;Сбр сыв ем призн к индик ции 1 р зряд
         bsf      RF,1         ;уст н влив ем призн к индик ции 2 р зряд
         goto    EX            
EX_UI1      btfss   RF,1         ;проверяем был  1 в 1 р зряде регистр  RF
         goto    EX_UI2         ;НЕТ-индик цию UI2 не выводим
         bcf      PORTC,7      ;ДА-г сим UI1
         movf   UI2,w         ;з груж ем регистр UI2 ->W
         call      segment      ;Преобр зов ние DEC--> в семисегментный код
         andlw   b'01111111'      ;уст новк  м ски для порт  B
         movwf   PORTB         ;Выводим д нные в порт B н  индик цию
         bsf      PORTB   ,7      ;Уст н влив ем з пятую
         bsf      PORTC,6      ;З жиг ем UI2
         bcf      RF,1         ;Сбр сыв ем призн к индик ции 2 р зряд
         bsf      RF,2         ;уст н влив ем призн к индик ции 3 р зряд
         goto    EX            
EX_UI2      btfss   RF,2         ;проверяем был  1 во 2 р зряде регистр  RF
         goto    EX            ;НЕТ-индик цию UI3 не выводим
         bcf      PORTC,6      ;ДА-г сим UI2
         movf   UI3,w         ;з груж ем регистр UI3 ->W
         call      segment      ;Преобр зов ние DEC--> в семисегментный код
         andlw   b'01111111'      ;уст новк  м ски для порт  B
         movwf   PORTB         ;Выводим д нные в порт B н  индик цию
         bcf      PORTB   ,7      ;Убир ем з пятую
         bsf      PORTC,5      ;З жиг ем UI3
         bcf      RF,2         ;Сбр сыв ем призн к индик ции 3 р зряд
         bsf      RF,0         ;уст н влив ем призн к индик ции 1 р зряд
         call      zad_cikl
EX         goto    CIKL
;==============================================================================================      
ZAD_ADC   movlw   K_ZAD         ;З держк  37 мкс
         movwf   r_zad
ZAD      decfsz   r_zad,f
         goto   ZAD   
         return
;==============================================================================================   
B_D                        ;подпрогр мм  ПРЕОБРАЗОВАНИЕ ДВОИЧНОГО В ДВОИЧНО-ДЕСЯТИЧНОЕ
          movwf    UI1            ;bin из w поместить в UI1
                           ;прогр мм  преобр зов ния
B_D_UI      clrf    UI2            ;обнулить UI2
         clrf    UI3            ;обнулить UI3
gtenth      movlw    .10            ;dec=10 поместить в w
         subwf    UI1,W         ;р зность содерж регист UI1 и w з носится в w(если w=1)или в UI1(если w=0)
          btfss    STATUS,C      ;если C в регистре STATUS=1 то перепрыгнуть STATUS=0 то безусл переход
         goto    gtenth1         ;
         movwf    UI1            ;w з нести в UI1
         incf    UI2,F         ;содерж регистр  UI2+1 з носится в  UI2
         goto    gtenth         ;
gtenth1      movlw    .10            ;dec=10 поместить в w
         subwf    UI2,W         ;р зность содерж регист UI2 и w з носится в w(если w=1)или в UI2(если w=0)
          btfss   STATUS,C      ;если C в регистре STATUS=1 то перепрыгнуть STATUS=0 то безусл переход
         goto    over            ;
         movwf   UI2            ;w з нести в UI2
         incf    UI3,F         ;содерж регистр  UI3+1 з носится в  UI3
         goto    gtenth1   
over         return
;==============================================================================================   
zad_cikl

                   return
;==============================================================================================            
         org   H'1FE'         ; Т блиц  преобр зов ния н пряжение в сопротивление
napr_sopr
      bsf     PCLATH,1
          addwf   PCL,F
      dt   0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF
      dt   0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF
      dt   0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF
      dt   0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF
      dt   0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF
      dt   0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF
      dt   0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF
      dt   0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF
      dt   0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF, 0FF   
      dt   0FF, 0FF, 0FD, 0FA, 0F5, 0F0, 0EB, 0E6, 0E1, 0DC, 0D7, 0D2, 0CD, 0C8, 0C5, 0C2
      dt   0BE, 0BB, 0B8, 0B4, 0B1, 0AF, 0AD, 0AA, 0A7, 0A5, 0A3, 0A0, 9D, 9B, 99, 96, 93
      dt   91, 8F, 8C, 89, 87, 85, 82, 7F, 7D, 7B, 78, 75, 73, 71, 6E, 6C 
      dt   6A, 68, 66, 64, 61, 5F, 5D, 5A, 58, 56, 54, 52, 50, 4E, 4C, 4A
      dt   48, 46, 45, 43, 41, 40, 3E, 3C, 3B, 39, 37, 35, 34, 32, 30, 2E
      dt   2C, 2A, 28, 26, 25, 23, 22, 20, 1F, 1E, 1D, 1C, 1A, 19, 17, 15 
      dt    14, 13, 12, 10, 0F, 0E, 0D, 0B, 0A, 09, 08, 07, 06, 05, 03, 00
;==============================================================================================

   end

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« Reply #495 on: October 19, 2009, 02:41:43 PM »

Hallo, silvanoservitec! Look at this circit. I think it's more better:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmonitor.net.ru%2Fforum%2Ftopic275311-0.html
You accept accuracy of measurements of the first device?

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« Reply #496 on: October 20, 2009, 09:16:44 PM »

RUR I'm riding that you posted too.
But as is more complex'll leave it for later.
I set up this photo and is stalling to 60 days.
He is more sensitive 0001 ohm, but it will give problems with cable testing.
At the moment I want to see if we can improve this before I posted PIC16F873 + 03 Display 7sec.


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« Reply #497 on: October 21, 2009, 04:11:43 PM »

RUR I'm riding that you posted too.
But as is more complex'll leave it for later.
I set up this photo and is stalling to 60 days.
He is more sensitive 0001 ohm, but it will give problems with cable testing.
At the moment I want to see if we can improve this before I posted PIC16F873 + 03 Display 7sec.


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RUR I'm riding that you posted too.
But as is more complex'll leave it for later.
I set up this photo and is stalling to 60 days.
He is more sensitive 0001 ohm, but it will give problems with cable testing.
At the moment I want to see if we can improve this before I posted PIC16F873 + 03 Display 7sec.


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What is the interesting device on your foto? Do you have a link to this scheme?
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« Reply #498 on: October 21, 2009, 05:45:56 PM »

RUR scheme is the same as you ~ and posted.
I just drew it again but no link all jump.
I do a version in SMD tbm equal to the original link.
I've done a screen silck screem.
http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic904845-30.html

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« Reply #499 on: October 21, 2009, 06:06:49 PM »

RUR scheme is the same as you ~ and posted.
I just drew it again but no link all jump.
I do a version in SMD tbm equal to the original link.
I've done a screen silck screem.

http://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic904845-30.html

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UUPS.....Clear...
As I see on you foto ESR-meter with LCD3310 show word "BON"
it merans "good" on portugal? Do you compiled source code independently?
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