ECE to PECE

[piona]

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ito na obserbahan ko, i may not be a millioner as technical person but i can make anything that i want within the limits of my technical expertise, and this millioners can buy all the materials that i need to make what i want...  my fulfilments and success are my ideas that really works.  

napag-isip na rin ako na siguro money talent and engineering talent wont really a good mixed, it will be either 60% money talent and 40% engineering talent or 50-50 of both. Some highly technical person that i know was converted to 90% money talent and 10% engineering talent, sayang din, they are experts but when they enter the money matters their engineering talents deteriorates and just fade-out with time.

naaawa rin ako sa kanila, pero siguro naman very happy naman sila na naging millionaryo sila kahit mawala na yong pagka-enhenyero nila. my personnal solution dito (share ko lang) is to maintain a 100% technical talent then partner with a good man with 100% money talent, para hindi magiging hilaw sa bandang huli  

there is this question that bothers me for sometime, "what in the hell this  technical talent for, and what would be this money for?" i think what really matters is how we play and what we do with those talent, good or bad thats what really matters a lot.

[toasted siopao]

^

ito na obserbahan ko, i may not be a millioner as technical person but i can make anything that i want within the limits of my technical expertise, and this millioners can buy all the materials that i need to make what i want...   my fulfilments and success are my ideas that really works. 

napag-isip na rin ako na siguro money talent and engineering talent wont really a good mixed, it will be either 60% money talent and 40% engineering talent or 50-50 of both. Some highly technical person that i know was converted to 90% money talent and 10% engineering talent, sayang din, they are experts but when they enter the money matters their engineering talents deteriorates and just fade-out with time.

naaawa rin ako sa kanila, pero siguro naman very happy naman sila na naging millionaryo sila kahit mawala na yong pagka-enhenyero nila. my personnal solution dito (share ko lang) is to maintain a 100% technical talent then partner with a good man with 100% money talent, para hindi magiging hilaw sa bandang huli 

 I beg to disagree. Take a look at silicon valley and you will see how engineers that are millionaires or even billionaires do their jobs.

The difference is that yung mga ceo na mga engineers, thay do not look anymore at the smaller details, why should they, those minor details can be done by other companies or other engineers na, but ask yourself if who conceptualized those minor details.

[toasted siopao]

Mas maraming milyonaryong contractors na walang Ph. D.

Let us put this into real scenario na lang, I have a friend and classmate sa UP, yung taga UP dito baka kilala ito, di pa ata sya licensed ECE and he took his masters in Taiwan, then turo sa UP pagbalik, prblem is that di sya licensed so di pa sya pwede maging permanent a UP and another he needs pa publications, then one time he asked me, kung may alam ba ako scholarship abroad kasi mag PhD daw sya, I answered him what for, bakit di muna sya magtrabaho sa companies ng semiconductor, tutal microelectronics rin naman field nya, sbi nya di daw enough ang MS, and to think sa Taiwan pa sya, dapat daw PhD, dun ako angtaka, and napaisip, bakit nga naman ako maghire ng may MS kung lima singko lang ang mga ECE dito at pwede mo pa gipitin kung magkano isasahod mo. Now he is in Florida taking his PhD in microelectronics again.

Now you will see, ano ba naman ang kwenta ng post graduate studies? Well, for promotion kailangan mo, pero kung employment as entry level, hello, dun na ako sa walang MS na mura lang hinihingi.

As for equating PECE and PhD, sa totoo lang, wala kwenta rin PECE, buti pa ang PEE may kwenta, pero PECE kalokohan yan.

If IECEP is not really stupid, ano ba naman ang consequence kung damihan ko ang router sa opisina ko at ang networked PC;s ko? Babagal ang bawat unit? So what if acceptable pa naman sa bawat user. Even that small detail na wala ako nakikita consequence sa owner nor sa provider nor sa neighboring consumer ay gusto nila pagkaperahan.

It is very different sa establishment na kapag nag overload ka ng connection sa electrical outlets mo for sure paktay establishment mo kapag di nagtrip breaker mo.

[piona]

I beg to disagree. Take a look at silicon valley and you will see how engineers that are millionaires or even billionaires do their jobs.

The difference is that yung mga ceo na mga engineers, thay do not look anymore at the smaller details, why should they, those minor details can be done by other companies or other engineers na, but ask yourself if who conceptualized those minor details.

as an engineers we always see the engineering side of the company, but it is impossible for multi-million companies to exist without a good business partnerts for financial investment to whatever have been made, it is a very common trend that when we engineers say eurekaa!!! the very next step is to find an investor to finance the important discovery, because we usually dont have that.  

one thing i like with silicon engineers is they played it well, maintaining the over all control of the operation even though they dont have the major share in terms of money but they capitalized in the importance of their talent very well that they overtake the amount of share of their financial partners from zero to majority stock holder. apples steve job was kicked out by his own company because of this financial complex, but they reallized later that they cant exist without talent of steve job thats why they bring him back, and steve played it well now    

[9 Volts]

basta ako maging ECE lang ok na.. pwede na ko magrelax.. hehehe.. delikado rin pala maging high profile, baka mhrapan kang maghanap ng trabaho.. compared to ordinary,,

yung kilala kong topnotcher wala pa rin mahanap na trabaho dahil "our vacancies do not closely fit your profile...."

pero depende pa rin sa diskarte yan,,

[piona]

ito share ko sa inyo, personnal experience ko in making big bucks, i have this mabutingting talent anything that will amazed me, i will butingting it until i will finally made it. when it is made it is an amazing thing of course because it amazed me in the first place   then i will excitedly demo it with my friends (syempre para sikat sa barkada ) then this friends will talk and talk if ever this amazing thing comes up with the chika-chika with their other friends, after sometimes (months or years) somebody will do a knock-knock to our place, tapos sasabihin "ikaw ba si phiona? ive heard you know something about this....kailangan namin e! ...then chika-chika sa mga background namin (baka holdaper lang kaharap ko  ) tapos pagnagkaintindihan na kami at magkatugma sa pangangailangan niya at sa nalalaman ko then deal! punta kami sa lawyer inked namin ang napagkasundaan namin.

pagkailangan ng malaking halaga ang ipapagawa niya,  you can easily take an advance payment for the bill of materials but its not ethical and prone to pressures so i usually go to my businessman friend who has lots of money to spare and make partnership, i will say 60/40 tayo with this project  (of course okay agad siya kasi 40% agad tubo ng pera niya e  ) pag-okay na siya then we inked it again with a business lawyer (kailangan business lawyer, wag yong criminal lawyer baka ipakulong lang kayong dalawa  )...for a while (hindi mo malalaman dahil ganado kang gawin ang project) tapos na ang project!!!

it is that easy really, cause they are your good friend na maasahan ka at maasahan mo rin siya. it is the personnality and character that really makes it easy, even upto six or seven or eight figures kung kaya lang personnality at character natin napakadali lang talaga.

ang nakataya if you mind in doing this is your everything, your name and personallity so if you do it? do it as if everything hangs on it.

 

[e.novacek]

basically, if i we're ask what Professional Engineer means.. i'll answer "experience and maturity"

and if i we're ask what Ph.D means.. i'll answer a simple word .. "understanding"

because anyone could be an "engineer" even idiots.. just take the board and pass the exams then "bang!".. he is a now a "licensed" engineer which is equal from your "license" even you're practicing your field of expertise for 20 years.. and there would basically almost no difference between you and him..

hence, PECE was established.. of which the sole idea and objective is to make a "distinction" between a "registered engineer" to a "professional engineer"..

PECE doesn't really require you to have a "Masters" or "PhDs".. although it is encouraging for you to take for it as part of "Continuing Professional Education or CPE" umbrella..

the basic notion of CPE is to "talk" to all ECE's to be "active, participate and dynamic".. by attending seminars, conventions, participating to forums, research talks, plenary and parallel technical sessions, listen to other engineers as they talk, listen to you if you have something to share, listen to the academe people, listen to the industry people, listen to the students, listen to the self-employed ece's, listen to the ECE's who choose their career in non-technical side, and embrace the organization because they belong to one family.. which is ECE..

but of course, at this stage.. PECE it is not yet so very perfect because it is still in the "infancy" stage and not everyone is "actively" participating.. everyone had a lot of good ideas but they don't raised up to the IECEP for further recommendations and future improvements..

classic alleby's like "we're busy", "we have no time", always complaining, always giving problems but dont proposed a solution and raised it up to the organization for possible action, etc.. then i guess in my point of view, we can "never" improve the family and will always "ridicule" the organization of which everyone of us are affected.. that not even the ECE students can escape..

IECEP is always open for good ideas.. if you want something to share and contribute to other engineers, or if you want to become a speaker in convention.. they will welcome you with "open-arms" because they need someone like you.. attend a forum, attend conventions, attend seminars, raised questions if you have something in mind so everybody may know your good ideas..

may mga naririnig akong balita from reliable source na gagawing parang style na nang "PEE" ang pag-apply sa "PECE" in the near future..

as for the Ph.D..

this is different.. only few have Ph.D holders in ECE here in Philippines.. i guess, it can only be counted by our fingers.. we all know that Ph.D. is a long hard road.. with many potholes and washed out bridges along the way.. and if you don't know why you are on this road.. then you will just get "discouraged".. will most probably leave without finishing it.. and having just wasted years of your life..

Ph.D ECE is largely a "waste of time" for those people who don't want to stay in academe, who don't want to do research and who don't want to stay in research laboratory..

[toasted siopao]

IECEP is always open for good ideas..

This is where you are wrong. Nung nagpatawag ng IECEP meeting sa place namin, I attended and asked a lot of questions regarding CPE and member encouragement, and even told them about this site which I believe has more number of ECE visitors than their website, they ignored most of my questions and galit pa.

Sa totoo lang, I ask questions always direct to the point, ayaw ko ng pulitikahan or mga paligoy ligoy na tanung, and too bad, our IECEP administration back then ay iisa lang motibo, membership na wala naman patutunguhan, CPE na nagmumukhang product demonstrations at organization na wala naman nagagawa sa kanyang mga members.

Sa simpleng implementation ng RA9292, they kept on focusing on how to extract money from IECEP members and ECE's not on how to help ECE have the right job sa kanilang profession.

[9 Volts]

ganun talaga buhay sa Pilipinas, corruption at palakasan..
saklap..

kaya ang sarap magtrabaho sa ibang bansa dahil disiplinado..

[Google]

This is where you are wrong. Nung nagpatawag ng IECEP meeting sa place namin, I attended and asked a lot of questions regarding CPE and member encouragement, and even told them about this site which I believe has more number of ECE visitors than their website, they ignored most of my questions and galit pa.

Sa totoo lang, I ask questions always direct to the point, ayaw ko ng pulitikahan or mga paligoy ligoy na tanung, and too bad, our IECEP administration back then ay iisa lang motibo, membership na wala naman patutunguhan, CPE na nagmumukhang product demonstrations at organization na wala naman nagagawa sa kanyang mga members.

Sa simpleng implementation ng RA9292, they kept on focusing on how to extract money from IECEP members and ECE's not on how to help ECE have the right job sa kanilang profession.

kaya mas maganda makipagmerge na lang tayo sa IIEE kung ganyan lang din kabingi ang mga opisyal ng IECEP

[iyo karpo]

hwag kayong maki-pagmerge doon...iba ang kulture...mas well-behaved at tahimik ang IECEP CPE seminars.

maraming scope of practice na nakuha ng PECE mula sa PEE. Possibling maraming PECE na maging milyonario din.

structured cabling
DALI - digital addresseable lighting control
Fire Alarm - electronic fire alarm system
Industrial and Building automation

Electronics permit ang kailangan dito, hindi electrical

[Anak ng]

^Pasintabi po up ko lng...masyadong mbagal ang action ng gobyerno..usually ndi naman talaga kelangn ng license eh ginawa lang ng gobyerno yan dito sa Pilipinas para kumita sila. kung ang mga license na yan ay ginawang non-renewable siguro ok pa.tapos ndi naman sya recognize sa ibang bansa, what's the use? ang importante meron kang skills...ang masakit pa nga minsan yung mga sinasabing Engineers or ngdoctorate eh daig pa ng mga walang lisensya. tsk! nakakalungkot lang ang realidad na ito.tapos ang masakit pa nyan nirevise ang ECE ngaun..pinaghiwalay na ang Electronics at Communication or should I say na tinanggal na ang communication.

[toasted siopao]

^Pasintabi po up ko lng...masyadong mbagal ang action ng gobyerno..usually ndi naman talaga kelangn ng license eh ginawa lang ng gobyerno yan dito sa Pilipinas para kumita sila. kung ang mga license na yan ay ginawang non-renewable siguro ok pa.tapos ndi naman sya recognize sa ibang bansa, what's the use? ang importante meron kang skills...ang masakit pa nga minsan yung mga sinasabing Engineers or ngdoctorate eh daig pa ng mga walang lisensya. tsk! nakakalungkot lang ang realidad na ito.tapos ang masakit pa nyan nirevise ang ECE ngaun..pinaghiwalay na ang Electronics at Communication or should I say na tinanggal na ang communication.

Hindi tinangal ang communication, andyan pa rin. Pinalitan title to make it parallel sa ibang bansa.

[paranz]

hwag kayong maki-pagmerge doon...iba ang kulture...mas well-behaved at tahimik ang IECEP CPE seminars.

maraming scope of practice na nakuha ng PECE mula sa PEE. Possibling maraming PECE na maging milyonario din.

structured cabling
DALI - digital addresseable lighting control
Fire Alarm - electronic fire alarm system
Industrial and Building automation

Electronics permit ang kailangan dito, hindi electrical

This is nice, thanks for the info sir..

I would say if possible lang, go for both PECE and PHd, not as an end to itself, but as a means for a higher goal (getting more $$$?). They can complement each other im sure.

[toasted siopao]

hwag kayong maki-pagmerge doon...iba ang kulture...mas well-behaved at tahimik ang IECEP CPE seminars.

maraming scope of practice na nakuha ng PECE mula sa PEE. Possibling maraming PECE na maging milyonario din.

structured cabling
DALI - digital addresseable lighting control
Fire Alarm - electronic fire alarm system
Industrial and Building automation

Electronics permit ang kailangan dito, hindi electrical

Ang issue is that pano magkaroon ng Electronics permit if wala naman sa city ordinance ang pag require ng electronics permit? Yes RA9292 is a law but it is just a part of our existing laws that are merely implemented o baka nga di nai-implement.

Hangang sa ngayun, lahat ng cabling sa building ang pumipirma ay ang EE, at hindi required sa pag-apply ng building permit ang blueprint ng installation na covered ng RA9292.

Kaya kung sa building permit lang naman, eto lang mga tao nito ang pumipirma.

Architect
Civil Engineer
Electrical Engineer
Master Electrician <--- buti pa ang mga ito, nakakapirma!
Sanitary Engineer
Mechanical Engineer
Geodetic Engineer

Electronics Engineer <--- wala ako nakita na kasama sa requirements

[Google]

ano ba kailangan pirmahan ng isang PECE na ang kanyang specialization ay sa semiconductor?

[iyo karpo]

Ang issue is that pano magkaroon ng Electronics permit if wala naman sa city ordinance ang pag require ng electronics permit? Yes RA9292 is a law but it is just a part of our existing laws that are merely implemented o baka nga di nai-implement.

Hangang sa ngayun, lahat ng cabling sa building ang pumipirma ay ang EE, at hindi required sa pag-apply ng building permit ang blueprint ng installation na covered ng RA9292.

Kaya kung sa building permit lang naman, eto lang mga tao nito ang pumipirma.

Architect
Civil Engineer
Electrical Engineer
Master Electrician <--- buti pa ang mga ito, nakakapirma!
Sanitary Engineer
Mechanical Engineer
Geodetic Engineer

Electronics Engineer <--- wala ako nakita na kasama sa requirements

May mga cities sa Metro Manila na may electronics permit na. Dapat ung IECEP officers nyo mas aggressive sa IIEE officers.

[Kid Kulafu]

basically, if i we're ask what Professional Engineer means.. i'll answer "experience and maturity"

and if i we're ask what Ph.D means.. i'll answer a simple word .. "understanding"

because anyone could be an "engineer" even idiots.. just take the board and pass the exams then "bang!".. he is a now a "licensed" engineer which is equal from your "license" even you're practicing your field of expertise for 20 years.. and there would basically almost no difference between you and him..

hence, PECE was established.. of which the sole idea and objective is to make a "distinction" between a "registered engineer" to a "professional engineer"..

PECE doesn't really require you to have a "Masters" or "PhDs".. although it is encouraging for you to take for it as part of "Continuing Professional Education or CPE" umbrella..

the basic notion of CPE is to "talk" to all ECE's to be "active, participate and dynamic".. by attending seminars, conventions, participating to forums, research talks, plenary and parallel technical sessions, listen to other engineers as they talk, listen to you if you have something to share, listen to the academe people, listen to the industry people, listen to the students, listen to the self-employed ece's, listen to the ECE's who choose their career in non-technical side, and embrace the organization because they belong to one family.. which is ECE..

but of course, at this stage.. PECE it is not yet so very perfect because it is still in the "infancy" stage and not everyone is "actively" participating.. everyone had a lot of good ideas but they don't raised up to the IECEP for further recommendations and future improvements..

classic alleby's like "we're busy", "we have no time", always complaining, always giving problems but dont proposed a solution and raised it up to the organization for possible action, etc.. then i guess in my point of view, we can "never" improve the family and will always "ridicule" the organization of which everyone of us are affected.. that not even the ECE students can escape..

IECEP is always open for good ideas.. if you want something to share and contribute to other engineers, or if you want to become a speaker in convention.. they will welcome you with "open-arms" because they need someone like you.. attend a forum, attend conventions, attend seminars, raised questions if you have something in mind so everybody may know your good ideas..

may mga naririnig akong balita from reliable source na gagawing parang style na nang "PEE" ang pag-apply sa "PECE" in the near future..

as for the Ph.D..

this is different.. only few have Ph.D holders in ECE here in Philippines.. i guess, it can only be counted by our fingers.. we all know that Ph.D. is a long hard road.. with many potholes and washed out bridges along the way.. and if you don't know why you are on this road.. then you will just get "discouraged".. will most probably leave without finishing it.. and having just wasted years of your life..

Ph.D ECE is largely a "waste of time" for those people who don't want to stay in academe, who don't want to do research and who don't want to stay in research laboratory..

Attending IECEP Seminars with CPE credits will entail additional expense to members not counting the compulsory IECEP membership before an ECE can renew his license.

To maintain a valid (unexpired) ECE license is costly because of CPE.

Hindi biro yung babayaran ng member para makakuha nang 60 CPE points.

ALAM BA NG IECEP AT BOARD OF ECE YAN?

MERON BA SILANG MGA HAKBANG PARA MASABI NG MEMBER NA OK LANG MAGBAYAD SA CPE AT IECEP DAHIL NAGAGAMIT NAMAN ANG ECE LICENSE AT KUMIKITA PARA MABAWI YUNG GASTOS SA CPE AT RENEWAL?

SIGURO HINDI ALAM NG BOARD OF ECE AT IECEP YAN DAHIL LIBRE NAMAN YUNG MGA OFFICERS NG IECEP SA SEMINARS AT FOOD PAG MAY IECEP EVENT DAHIL SPONSOR NG PERA NG MEMBER. ISAMA PA YUNG HOTEL ACCOMODATION PAG NAG OUT OF TOWN. PERA NG MGA IECEP MEMBER ANG GINAGAMIT NINYO.

MAHIYA NAMAN KAYO SA MGA KAWAWANG IECEP MEMBERS KUNG YUNG TINUTUTUKAN NG PROGRAMA NINYO AY PURO SEMINAR WITH CPE POINTS.

MANDATORY NA NGA YUNG IECEP MEMBERSHIP (FEE) SA RENEWAL PAPATAYIN NYO PA ANG MEMBERS SA GASTOS SA 60 CPE. EH WALA NAMAN KAYONG MGA BATAS NA GINAGAWA PARA KUMITA YUNG ECE LICENSE NG MEMBER.

NGAYON KUNG MERON MAN KAYONG MGA BATAS NA NAGAWA AT NA-IPATUPAD I-PUBLISH NINYO PARA MALAMAN NG MGA IECEP MEMBERS PARA HINDI KAYO BABATIKUSIN DAHIL MAY MGA KAPAKIPAKINABANG KAYONG NAGAWA PARA SA IKA-UUNLAD NG MGA MEMBER.

I-PRESENT NYO NGA SA PAPARATING NA IECEP NATIONAL CONVENTION YUNG MGA MAGAGANDANG HAKBANG NA NAGAWA IECEP AT BOARD OF ECE.
ISAMA NA RIN YUNG FINANCIAL STATEMENT REPORT SA CONVENTION DAHIL KARAPATAN NG BAWAT MEMBER MALAMAN KUNG ANO YUNG NANGYAYARI SA PERA NILA.

HUWAG NYONG IBIDA YUNG CPE POINTS PARA MAGKAPAG-ATTRACT NANG A-ATTEND SA CONVENTION MAHIYA NAMAN KAYO. ALAM NA NG MEMBER NA MONEY MAKING SCHEME ANG CPE.

[9 Volts]

aba'y pera pera nga eh noh.. di kc libre pagkuha ng points..

pamasahe lang.. maliligaw ka pa sa daan.. papunta sa walang kwentang seminar at stupidong speakers..

GREEDY..

sino ba nakaisip nyang points points na yan ang labo nyan.. palakasan lang yata yan.. 

[iyo karpo]

aba'y pera pera nga eh noh.. di kc libre pagkuha ng points..

pamasahe lang.. maliligaw ka pa sa daan.. papunta sa walang kwentang seminar at stupidong speakers..

GREEDY..

sino ba nakaisip nyang points points na yan ang labo nyan.. palakasan lang yata yan.. 

points ang ginagamit sa lahat ng embassies worldwide...mag-caregiver ka muna sa Hongkong o Singapore kung nagmadali ka.