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« on: June 30, 2010, 09:39:03 PM »

Patulong mga masters!

Pano ba gumagana ang ELB? Just recently nagpalit kami ng ELB ng isang transfer pump namin.
Problema kasi nya natritrip pag pumasok na yung DELTA.

Eto yung mga pic nya. Nilagyan ng boss namin ng tag.









Share ko n rin. Dahil hindi namin pwede patayin ang buong panel para magpalit ng ELB, dahil cooling ito ng generator, live namin ginawa.
May isa kami kasama na malakas ang loob kaya sya nagpalit. 440V pala supply



Naglagay lang kami ng paleta na plastic apakan nya.  Wink
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2010, 01:36:29 AM »

merong comparator 'yan sir, bale kino-compare 'yung current on both lines. kapag nagkaroon ng difference, in mA, 'yung dalawang line, ibig sabihin merong ibang dinaanan 'yung kuryente kaya itri-trip niya 'yung breaker.
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2010, 07:29:57 AM »

Pareho cya ng GFCI?
Yung sa drawing 3 line yung pumasok sa isang coil tapos may circuit cya
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2010, 10:45:12 AM »

^ yes sir. just different terms used on different parts of the world. mas common 'yung GFCI/GFI (Ground Fault Interrupter) sa US, ELB/ELCB (Earth Leakage Breaker) sa UK and other parts of the world, tapos RCCB/RCB (Residual Current Breaker) sa ibang parts ng Europe.

ang nangyayari sir 'yung mga dapat na dinadaanan ng current pumapasok sa coil. kapag equal 'yung magnitudes ng current, walang umiikot na flux doon sa coil. ngayon kapag nagkaroon ng difference, most probably nagkaroon ng path to ground, magkakaroon ng flux sa coil at ide-detect na nung circuit.
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2010, 11:48:05 AM »

thanks bro sa info. Though hindi pa rin namin maintindihan kung bakit sya nag tritrip pag delta na.
yung ELB pla 150A, motor FLA 170A. Trip na sya hindi pa pumapasok yung delta.
Current nya sa wye is 45A. Yung motor newly PM lang.
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« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2010, 12:15:36 PM »

1.Tama po ba na gamitin na 150A yung breaker if FLA ng Motor is 170A?

2. Baka po maluwag pakahigpit ng wire o marumi wire terminal. O dahil may problema na sa termination.

3. Check the valve settings dahil sa cooling ito gamit baka nakasarang maigi na. Baka lang po.

4. I don't know the meaning of PM, pero kung rewind lang, better to check the insulation muna.

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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2010, 02:16:53 PM »

Pareho cya ng GFCI?
Yung sa drawing 3 line yung pumasok sa isang coil tapos may circuit cya

Tama po yang drawing niya, ang line difference ng balance load to neutral na 3 phase ay zero, even though same direction silang tatlo, pero 0-120-270 out of phase naman kaya zero ang total difference nila, pero pag-may-unbalance na mangyayari sa load nyo w/ respect sa neutral at ma-attain ang differential setting ng ELF o GFI automatic mag-trip nga yan.

Try din nyo verify kung ano ang setting ng ELB parang abnormal po yang 150A na Diffential Setting ng ELB sa 170A na motor FLA. Saka bagong maintenance pala yang motor nyo try nyo rin suriin ang test report ng megger ng motor, baka may problema nga ito.

Saka okay yong suggestion ni sir Jassharing na tightenning ng terminals baka maymaluwag dito, kailangan na ng hi-torque wrench pagganito na kataas ang amperahe.


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« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2010, 02:24:43 PM »

PM = Preventive Maintenance? kung may nagalaw kasi sa loob at hindi na balanse 'yung current sa windings, magtri-trip talaga 'yung ELB.
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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2010, 02:32:22 PM »

Tama po kayo sir rdpzycho.

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Kung dedicated lang yang ELB nyo motor na yan, malamang may problema yang motor. Pero kung may naka // pang iba na load try nyo muna isolation process.
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2010, 03:18:05 PM »

Pano ba gumagana ang ELB?

IL1<0 + IL2<120 + IL3<240 = 0 (I ELB)

IL1<0 + IL2<120 + IL3<240 + IN = IN (I ELB)

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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2010, 04:53:25 PM »

have you check the insulation resistance ng motor? Baka naman bagsak na sa megger kaya nag cause ng tripping ng CB. Pwede rin namang ang sira eh yung mismong RCB. From time kasi eh nag worn out din yan. Baka you need to replace na yun. Wink
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« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2010, 12:19:24 AM »

thanks bro sa info. Though hindi pa rin namin maintindihan kung bakit sya nag tritrip pag delta na.
yung ELB pla 150A, motor FLA 170A. Trip na sya hindi pa pumapasok yung delta.
Current nya sa wye is 45A. Yung motor newly PM lang.

Sorry mali ata yung 170A. Check ko yung name plate ng motor. Nag ok naman sya ng pinalitan namin yung breaker. Hindi na nga lang ELB dahil wala ng spare. auto breaker na 225A rating ang ipinalit.
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« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2010, 12:26:37 AM »

@ ahlburuto

ok yung insulation. besides kung grounded yung motor sa wye pa lang trip na. Tama po ba?

@pintac

isang motor lang nakakabit dito na may Y-delta starter.

Ang ginawa lang po sa motor ay palit bearings.

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