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« on: August 21, 2010, 06:55:34 PM »

hello po, nais ko po sanang magtanong kung pwede ko pong palitan ng adjustable regulator (LM 317) yung 7809 regulator sa diagram? para po kasi maraming paggamitan.. kelangan pa po ba ng resistor pa pinaltan ko po yung 7809? pls help po.. 
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2010, 09:21:12 PM »

yup kailangan mo ng resistors na pang-set ng output voltage kung LM317 ang gagamitin mo.

pwede ka ring gumamit ng 78xx series regulators para maging adjustable voltage (check some 7805 datasheets), ang minimum voltage mo nga lang 'yung value nung regulator.
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2010, 09:49:36 PM »

ah, kung LM317 po gagamitin kong regulator, tas may 12v input po ako sa secondary winding at 9v po na output, tama po bang R1=240Ω , R2=1488Ω? based on this diagram ?

pano po ba icalculate yung reference voltage? may voltage regulator site po kasi akong nakita tas ang Vref=1.25v po..
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2010, 09:52:05 PM »

^ fixed 'yung Vref diyan sa LM317.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2010, 10:03:47 PM »

ah ganon po ba sorry Cheesy .. okay lang po kahit 1 A yung nagegenerate ng transformer? at saka 12v yung output ng secondary voltage? at saka kelangan po ba talaga 220v yung primary voltage? pagkakaalam ko po kasi 220v ac yung outlet sa philippines.. (sorry po kung naparami yung tanong, beginner po kasi ako hehe)
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2010, 10:10:48 PM »

'yung amperage ng transformer is 'yung maximum na kaya niya lang ilabas, hindi 'yun ang todo niyang ilalabas kaagad dahil depende 'yan sa load. tulad nga ng practical example/comparison ko lagi dito, 'yung overhead tank ng bahay, meron siyang maximum pressure na kayang ibigay, pero depende sa dami ng gripo at sa lakas ng pihit ng gripo ang ilalabas lang na tubig. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2010, 10:42:18 PM »

ah ganon po ba yun hehe Cheesy thank u po sa information Cheesy so dun sa LM317, 1.5 A ang maximum current na kaya niyang ilabas pero depende rin sa load? saka po, okay na po ba yung 12v output ng secondary voltage ng transformer tas ireregulate ko po sa 1.2-9v range output using LM317?
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2010, 10:37:18 AM »

1.5A 'yung maximum rated niya, 'yun lang din ang pwedeng pumasok sa kanya. tapos 1A lang 'yung transformer mo kaya 1A lang ang magiging max mo.
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2010, 12:26:30 PM »

i see.. tatanong rin po sana ako kung pwede ko pong gamitin yung center tapped transformer na 12v-0v-12v sa diagram ko po sa taas pero, gagawin ko pong open circuit yung 12v sa baba ng center tapped? wala po kasi akong makitang transformer na 0-12v po yung output ng secondary winding...
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2010, 12:30:12 PM »

i see.. tatanong rin po sana ako kung pwede ko pong gamitin yung center tapped transformer na 12v-0v-12v sa diagram ko po sa taas pero, gagawin ko pong open circuit yung 12v sa baba ng center tapped? wala po kasi akong makitang transformer na 0-12v po yung output ng secondary winding...

yup tama gamitn mo lang 12-0 pero pag rectified na yan approx. 16V yung output ng cap.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2010, 02:34:21 PM »

16v po yung output ng capacitor? so kelangan po 16v po yung rating ng gagamitin kong capacitor?
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2010, 02:36:31 PM »

more than 16V dapat(25 to 50V) doon sa input ng regulator.
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2010, 08:14:30 PM »

ah, e bat po naging 16? diba 12 po yung input? Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2010, 05:55:42 PM »

^ 12V kasi 'yung AC. pero kapag in-analyze mo 'yung waveform niya, 12V x 1.414 (sqaure root of 2) ang peak value nung waveform. ngayon kayang mag-charge nung capacitor hanggang doon sa peak kaya kailangan mas mataas ang rating na gagamitin mo.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2010, 06:54:22 PM »

ah , oo nga pala Cheesy sorry nakalimutan ko po na rms po pala yung dapat Cheesy thank you very much po sa mga nagcontribute at saka rin sa site Smiley
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2010, 07:43:25 PM »

ah , oo nga pala Cheesy sorry nakalimutan ko po na rms po pala yung dapat Cheesy thank you very much po sa mga nagcontribute at saka rin sa site Smiley

ganyan tanong sa akin ng naginterview sa akin nung pumasok ako sa trabaho sabi ko approx 12V*sqrt(2) kasi pag bumibili ka ng transformer di naman nila sinasabi na rms yun basta 12V yan kasi nasusukat namin sa tester hehehe pero pag lagay ng bridge at output cap nagiging 16V,tama yung sinabi ni master rd halos peak yung rectified kasi minimal naman yung diode drop.maganda yan try mong iextend yung current rating ng regulator more than 1A at lagyan ng protection diodes kahit i short mo sa input or output pero enough na current rating ng diode to dissipate the energy kahit shorted.
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« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2010, 06:27:37 AM »

i see.. maraming salamat po sa info hehe Cheesy
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« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2010, 10:02:18 PM »

@chemic.....sa 12-0-12 na transformer instead of 0-12V, for the same rating, 1A nabili mong transformer dun  sa 0-12V, 1Amp makukuha mo kapag bridge and ginamit mo, i.e. full wave. Pag isang diode lang ang ginamit mo, half wave yan and you will only get 0.5amp max.

ngayon, misleading yung 12-0-12 na 1 AMP. Saan ang 1 amp? Pwede sa 12-12 yan using bridge(magiging 24 x 1.4 yan). Or ang rating nyan at 1amp sa 12 V using the center tap and 2 diodes. In terms of wattage kasi or VA, yung una 24 x 1 or 24 watts yan transformer mo. nagyong kung sa 12V, maging 2 amps yan.Suspecha ko ang rating myan is one the 12V at 1 amp. 12 watts yan.

 anyway, if you use one side lang of the 12-0-12 kahit bridge and diode mo, .5 amp lang yan.to max, used bridge on both sides of the 12-0-12 and join the plus line and minus line. kung two diodes kasi, half wave ka lang on each 12V leg.

 look at the post ni kenshee ata tungkol sa lm317. sianbi ko dun na mag overheat and IC kapag gumamit ka ng lower output with a very high input.  yna actual ckt mo, 16v nga ang input and you are rduving it to 9V.Sobrang init kapag 1.25 paang gamiting mo.What is done is to introduce dropping resistors to lower the input voltage dun sa low output V desired.

kung 12-0-12 ang transforemer mo, bridge mo yung 12-12 to get 24x1.41.Magamit mo yung fullrange ng LM317 which is 30v ATA.

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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2010, 02:27:17 PM »

pag kinabit mo siya sa 0-12, ang makukuha mong voltage ay 12Vrms at may peak value niya ay 12*1.414 (17Vpk).. ang makukuha mong sine wave ay may peak to peak value na around 34V (2*1.414*12).. pag kinabit mo naman sa 12-0, ganun pa din ang makukuha mong voltage.. it can be inverted pero depende sa orientation ng wires mo.. pag sa 12-12 mo naman kinabit, makukuha mo ay 24Vrms.. ang peak niya ay 24*1.414 (34V)..

pag gumamit ka ng fullwave rectifier, ang makukuha mong DC value (assuming no load, no diode drops at high cap) yung peak value niya.. so pag gumamit ka ng full wave rectifier at kinabit mo sa 0-12 o 12-0 ang makukuha mong DC ay 17V.. pag sa 12-12 mo naman kinabit 34V DC naman.. pag ginamit mo naman yung centertapped rectifier, 17VDC pa rin ang makukuha mo.. pag isang diode lang, half wave rectifier, assuming no load at high cap, 17VDC pa din pag sa 0-12 mo kinabit.. pero it doesn't mean you'll get only 0.5A.. pag may load ka na, depende sa cap na gamit mo, bababa ang DC voltage, kung linear ang load mo, bababa rin yung current niya..

from what i know, yung nakasulat sa transformer ay puro rms.. so para malaman mo na lang kung nageexceed ka na sa rating ng transformer, multiply mo yung max Vrms ng trasnformer, in your case (24Vrms), sa current rating nito (eg. 200mA).. makukuha mo na yung max power ng transformer mo (4.8VA).. para malaman mo naman yung sa load, multiply mo yung DC voltage at the dc current, makukuha mo na yung power na kinukuha mo dun sa transformer.. make sure na hindi ka sosobra dun sa max power na pwede niya ibigay..

regarding naman sa LM317, iba iba packaging niyan, kung TO220 ginamit mo, ang max power dissipation niyan under free air ay 2W.. so multiply mo yung input voltage minus output voltage at current ng lm317, makukuha mo yung power na dinidisipate ng 317 mo.. make sure na hindi siya lalagpas ng 2W.. so in most cases, kung gusto mo makuha yung max current sa 317 na 1.5A, make sure na yung input at output voltage difference mo ay maliit lang.. pwede ka din mag add ng heatsink.
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