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« on: May 20, 2010, 11:51:48 PM »

I would like to ask you guys if it is possible to charge a battery( 12v @10 hrs rating) given a source of -40 to -50 volts and a current of
30-40mA. i will also use a voltage regulator (lm317).

Possible po kaya na ma charge ko yung battery?? ang dilemma ko po kasi eh bawal ako mag exceed ng 40mA sa souce.

Gaano kaya katagal aabutin ang pag charge nung battery??

pasensya po medyo malabo nalilito pa po kasi ako sa theories.
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« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2010, 12:07:34 AM »

ano 'yung 10hours rating? mas madali ma-compute 'yan sa Ah rating. so example 12V 7Ah ('yung Sealed Lead Acid na ginagamit sa UPS), sa 40mA charging, kailangan mo ng at least 175 hours to 250 hours para ma-charge 'yung battery from complete drain to full charge.
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« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2010, 12:14:21 AM »

ano 'yung 10hours rating? mas madali ma-compute 'yan sa Ah rating. so example 12V 7Ah ('yung Sealed Lead Acid na ginagamit sa UPS), sa 40mA charging, kailangan mo ng at least 175 hours to 250 hours para ma-charge 'yung battery from complete drain to full charge.


ahh yung sa battery kasi po ng outlast naka lagay 12v @ 10 hrs. pero i think 10Ah na 12v lang ibig sabihin nun eh di ko lang po sure. eto po yung link http://www.outlastbattery.com/prod_mcycle.htm at eto yung model ng battery 12N10-3B.

so possible talaga magcharge pero matagal talaga. Can i use a current booster to reduce the charging time?
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« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2010, 12:24:51 AM »

12N10-3B = 12Ah @ 10hr rating.

to boost current, kailangan may source ka ng current or just convert the voltage. remember, law of conservation of energy.

sabihin nating 48V at 40mA, 1.92W ang maximum na makukuhang power. 12V 12Ah, is 144Wh. assuming 70% charging efficiency, (144Wh / 1.92W) / 0.7 = 107.14h. assuming perfect conversion pa from 48V to charging voltage. ngayon kung DC-DC ang gagamitin, kailangan ma-power 'yung mga IC's, mga 5 to 20mA din ang makukuha, kaya approximately 50% lang ang efficiency, then that would be 107.14h / 0.5 = 214.28h. malapit na rin sa approximate time to charge na kailangan assuming linear regulation na lang ang gagawin.
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« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2010, 12:37:04 AM »

12N10-3B = 12Ah @ 10hr rating.

to boost current, kailangan may source ka ng current or just convert the voltage. remember, law of conservation of energy.

sabihin nating 48V at 40mA, 1.92W ang maximum na makukuhang power. 12V 12Ah, is 144Wh. assuming 70% charging efficiency, (144Wh / 1.92W) / 0.7 = 107.14h. assuming perfect conversion pa from 48V to charging voltage. ngayon kung DC-DC ang gagamitin, kailangan ma-power 'yung mga IC's, mga 5 to 20mA din ang makukuha, kaya approximately 50% lang ang efficiency, then that would be 107.14h / 0.5 = 214.28h. malapit na rin sa approximate time to charge na kailangan assuming linear regulation na lang ang gagawin.

ahh ok po thank you. so approximately it will take more or less 9-10 days to charge the battery. I'm planning on harvesting electricity from telephoneline and use it to charge batteries for emergency purpose. Experimental lang. I have read that a telephone line has -40 to -50 volts and a maximum of 30-40mA para ang status ng line on hook. So pag lumagpas ako ng 40mA mag off-hook state and mag bbusy yung fone. gusto ko sana na parang nakaparallel lang yung gagawin kong device para pwede pa rin ang incoming call. Any comment sir rdpzycho??
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« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2010, 09:54:44 AM »

pwede naman 'yan. 'yun nga lang, medyo matagal nga.

BTW, mas mabilis kung ang icha-charge mo lang is 'yung mga maliliit na NiMH batteries. meron ding mga circuit sa net for emergency light naman using LED's. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2010, 11:11:16 AM »

pwede naman 'yan. 'yun nga lang, medyo matagal nga.

BTW, mas mabilis kung ang icha-charge mo lang is 'yung mga maliliit na NiMH batteries. meron ding mga circuit sa net for emergency light naman using LED's. Wink

ok po salamat po. cge po try ko yung NiMH batteries. thank you very much!!
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2010, 11:27:57 AM »

hanggang ngaun, wala akong nagagawang matinong charger for the battery.. Grin

ung binili ko, transformer, diode at resistor lang ang laman Grin
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2010, 01:15:25 PM »

hanggang ngaun, wala akong nagagawang matinong charger for the battery.. Grin

ung binili ko, transformer, diode at resistor lang ang laman Grin

charger for the battery using telephone line po ba??? waaa.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2010, 05:48:28 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2010, 11:36:23 AM »

Di ko alam kung pwede rin ilagay to sa post na ito. Meron po kasi akong battery na 12V 17Ah na sealed lead acid battery. kaso gusto ko maswitch siya kapag na charge na siya ng solar array na nakakabit sa 2 battery. Ano po magandang approach doon? any ideas???
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2010, 08:19:21 PM »

paanong switch?
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2010, 10:07:06 PM »

meron po kaming 2 battery na nakatap sa solar array.... once na mapuno si battery 1 mag switch sa papunta kay battery 2 (backup) para mapuno naman. tapos un po palipat lipat na lang. ano po magandang gawin doon?? relays??? any idea po?
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« Reply #13 on: May 27, 2010, 12:13:28 AM »

ok naman ang relay.

ano ba ang output capacity nung solar panel?
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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2010, 01:34:25 PM »

ok naman ang relay.

ano ba ang output capacity nung solar panel?

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naisip ko na rin ung relay kaso kaya po ba macontrol siya ng mcu??? using pnp as a switch???
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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2010, 01:42:53 PM »

mas madali naman ang NPN sa relay.
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2010, 02:50:09 PM »

kakasearch ko lang ng relay driver sa net. may nakita akong circuit.... merong npn and npn as a driver for the relay. naka pdf file siya eh pero share ko na rin.... argh ayaw ng encrypt magbukas post ko na lang ung pdf site kung pwede... http://www.jaycar.com.au/images_uploaded/relaydrv.pdf

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« Reply #17 on: May 29, 2010, 04:29:04 PM »



di ko masimulate ung circuit na ito??? try ko siya gawin this coming monday para makita ko ung actual talaga eh. pero for the mean time multisim para sure akong gumagana na talaga! hehehe san kaya ako nagkamali. nakapag research na rin ako sa mga previous post dito sa elab nakatulong siya ng sobra. pero question bakit kapag relay mas magandang gamitin ang npn as a switch di katulad ng pnp for loads naman???
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« Reply #18 on: May 29, 2010, 05:42:12 PM »

napagana ko na!!! hahaha, mali lang ung component na nalagay ko. Maraming salamat!!! hehehehe gawin ko na to sa monday!
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2010, 02:14:51 AM »

pede nmn gamitin pnp. minsan pnp ginagamit ko sa relay driver
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