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« on: March 11, 2008, 10:15:01 AM »

They say there is a thousand way to skin a cat. But how many is the correct way? And what is the correct way?

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The Barometer Story
by Alexander Calandra

Some time ago I received a call from a colleague who asked if I would be the referee on the grading of an examination question. He was about to give a student a zero for his answer to a physics question, while the student claimed he should receive a perfect score and would if the system were not set up against the student. The instructor and the student agreed to submit this to an impartial arbiter, and I was selected.

I went to my colleague's office and read the examination question, "Show how it is possible to determine the height of a tall building with the aid of a barometer."

The student had answered, "Take a barometer to the top of the building, attach a long rope to it, lower the barometer to the street and then bring it up, measuring the length of the rope. The length of the rope is the height of the building."

I pointed out that the student really had a strong case for full credit since he had answered the question completely and correctly. On the other hand, if full credit was given, it could well contribute to a high grade for the student in his physics course. A high grade is supposed to certify competence in physics, but the answer did not confirm this. I suggested that the student have another try at answering the question. I was not surprised that my colleague agreed, but I was surprised that the student did.

I gave the student six minutes to answer the question with the warning that the answer should show some knowledge of physics. At the end of five minutes, he had not written anything. I asked if he wished to give up, but he said no. He had many answers to this problem; he was just thinking of the best one. I excused myself for interrupting him and asked him to please go on. In the next minute he dashed off his answer which read, "Take the barometer to the top of the building and lean over the edge of the roof. Drop that barometer, timing its fall with a stopwatch. Then using the formula S = ?at?, calculate the height of the building."

At this point I asked my colleague if he would give up. He conceded, and I gave the student almost full credit.

In leaving my colleague's office, I recalled that the student had said he had many other answers to the problem, so I asked him what they were. "Oh yes," said the student. "There are a great many ways of getting the height of a tall building with a barometer. For example, you could take the barometer out on a sunny day and measure the height of the barometer and the length of its shadow, and the length of the shadow of the building and by the use of a simple proportion, determine the height of the building."

"Fine," I asked. "And the others?"

"Yes," said the student." There is a very basic measurement method that you will like. In this method you take the barometer and begin to walk up the stairs. As you climb the stairs, you mark off the length of the barometer along the wall. You then count the number of marks, and this will give you the height of the building in barometer units. A very direct method."

"Of course, if you want a more sophisticated method, you can tie the barometer to the end of a string, swing it as a pendulum, and determine the value of 'g' at the street level and at the top of the building. From the difference of the two values of 'g' the height of the building can be calculated."

Finally, he concluded, there are many other ways of solving the problem. "Probably the best," he said, "is to take the barometer to the basement and knock on the superintendent's door. When the superintendent answers, you speak to him as follows, 'Mr. Superintendent, here I have a fine barometer. If you tell me the height of this building, I will give you this barometer.'"

At this point I asked the student if he really did know the conventional answer to this question. He admitted that he did, said that he was fed up with high school and college instructors trying to teach him how to think, using the "scientific method"...

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2008, 10:22:22 AM »

i remember reading this story way back in college.

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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2008, 10:29:09 AM »

dito ko lang nabasa to! Smiley
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2008, 10:30:25 AM »

Nice read. Back in college I was always afraid to think up non conventional solutions kasi baka pagtawanan ako.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2008, 10:30:39 AM »

They say there is a thousand way to skin a cat. But how many is the correct way? And what is the correct way?

Para sa mga Teachers and Students...

The Barometer Story
by Alexander Calandra

Some time ago I received a call from a colleague who asked if I would be the referee on the grading of an examination question. He was about to give a student a zero for his answer to a physics question, while the student claimed he should receive a perfect score and would if the system were not set up against the student. The instructor and the student agreed to submit this to an impartial arbiter, and I was selected.

I went to my colleague's office and read the examination question, "Show how it is possible to determine the height of a tall building with the aid of a barometer."

The student had answered, "Take a barometer to the top of the building, attach a long rope to it, lower the barometer to the street and then bring it up, measuring the length of the rope. The length of the rope is the height of the building."

I pointed out that the student really had a strong case for full credit since he had answered the question completely and correctly. On the other hand, if full credit was given, it could well contribute to a high grade for the student in his physics course. A high grade is supposed to certify competence in physics, but the answer did not confirm this. I suggested that the student have another try at answering the question. I was not surprised that my colleague agreed, but I was surprised that the student did.

I gave the student six minutes to answer the question with the warning that the answer should show some knowledge of physics. At the end of five minutes, he had not written anything. I asked if he wished to give up, but he said no. He had many answers to this problem; he was just thinking of the best one. I excused myself for interrupting him and asked him to please go on. In the next minute he dashed off his answer which read, "Take the barometer to the top of the building and lean over the edge of the roof. Drop that barometer, timing its fall with a stopwatch. Then using the formula S = ?at?, calculate the height of the building."

At this point I asked my colleague if he would give up. He conceded, and I gave the student almost full credit.

In leaving my colleague's office, I recalled that the student had said he had many other answers to the problem, so I asked him what they were. "Oh yes," said the student. "There are a great many ways of getting the height of a tall building with a barometer. For example, you could take the barometer out on a sunny day and measure the height of the barometer and the length of its shadow, and the length of the shadow of the building and by the use of a simple proportion, determine the height of the building."

"Fine," I asked. "And the others?"

"Yes," said the student." There is a very basic measurement method that you will like. In this method you take the barometer and begin to walk up the stairs. As you climb the stairs, you mark off the length of the barometer along the wall. You then count the number of marks, and this will give you the height of the building in barometer units. A very direct method."

"Of course, if you want a more sophisticated method, you can tie the barometer to the end of a string, swing it as a pendulum, and determine the value of 'g' at the street level and at the top of the building. From the difference of the two values of 'g' the height of the building can be calculated."

Finally, he concluded, there are many other ways of solving the problem. "Probably the best," he said, "is to take the barometer to the basement and knock on the superintendent's door. When the superintendent answers, you speak to him as follows, 'Mr. Superintendent, here I have a fine barometer. If you tell me the height of this building, I will give you this barometer.'"

At this point I asked the student if he really did know the conventional answer to this question. He admitted that he did, said that he was fed up with high school and college instructors trying to teach him how to think, using the "scientific method"...

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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2008, 11:10:04 AM »

lol... Sometimes, you can solve a difficult problem with a simple one.... NASA develop a ballpen that can be used in space, mean while, Russian use pencil instead. Smiley
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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2008, 11:10:31 AM »

Well, sometimes you gotta think "outside the box"  Grin
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2008, 11:40:10 AM »

i'll give the student zero ...

he may be smart, but he is also stupid to think that his answer would work in a physics exam ... he knew the correct answer yet he insisted on being smart-aleck ... the behavior is not something to be desired

be smart, but treat your exams seriously
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2008, 01:46:38 PM »

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i recall that story. i've read it somewhere

if i'm not mistaken the student was Niels Bohr who is one of the most influential physicists of the 20th century.

a very good anecdote on why scientist are good on what they do.

they always think outside the box.

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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2008, 01:50:11 PM »

i read it from a book i can't recall

but also posted here
http://www.anecdotage.com/index.php?aid=20544
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2009, 03:01:41 AM »

nah... i hate to be the devil's advocate pero mali pa din... just measure the difference in pressure using the barometer then you'll get the height...(FOR CHRIST SAKE'S WHAT COULD BE THE DIFFERENCE FROM A ALTIMETER FROM A BAROMETER?) so what's wrong with that? that separates from the professional from the idiots.

if would be the boy.. i'll take out the barometer scales and draw a NEW altitude scale. BAM! use that freaking barometer without WREAKING, using a LONG string, GIVE OUT A good barometer to someone, Swinging it, CASTING a SHADOW, or use it as a VERY CRUDE RULER.
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2009, 03:10:45 AM »

... on the other hand... unless you recycle and don't wreak a good instrument...
voice coil instead of solenoid (kasi mahal sa RS at egizmo ang solenoid)
plywood kasi mahal ang engineering plastic at aluminum
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i used the lab oscilloscope to measure by using an ultrasonic transducer and counting the speed of sound and counting the "ping"
i used the lab oscilloscope to measure out the engineering building by dropping it and counting how long it took to crash...  Grin
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 10:05:36 PM »

si Neil Bohr nga po yan..^^

indisputably correct.. Grin

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Nice SHare!
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« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2011, 12:56:21 PM »

hehehe.. i remember my math teacher...

0 = nothing, wala...but if 1-1 = 0 and you assumed na wag ilalagay yung figure na "0"  kasi wala naman ang answer then you're wrong...Tongue
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