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« on: August 01, 2009, 07:00:09 AM »

Hi guys ask lang po ng proper use and Proper megger/resistance OHMS test of three phase motor para po kasing may mali sa ginagawa ng iba kong ka trabaho!
Example po: in 6 leads out na 3 phase motor! When disconect na po lahat ha! Pinagsa2ma nila yung L1 & L6, L4&L2, L5&L3 saka nila kinukuhanan ng ohms and megger test! Tama po ba? Kasi diba sa ganung status eh! Naka parallel and winding so mas mababa nga ang maku2ha nila sa ohms! Tama po ba? Please help t.y....
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2009, 04:31:03 PM »

Dapat sir each windings should be test per the Meg Ohm reading. Kung merong isang winding na masyado mababa reading dapat ng palitan o pa-rewind ang motor.

Generally a reading above 20 to 30 Meg Ohms should be sufficient to run most motors. All new motors should read greater than 999 Meg Ohms, any reading less than this will indicate winding deterioration to the insulation.

Sometimes a megger test is not usefull in insulation test. Surge test must be use insted. The surge test works on the basis of Paschen's Law which states that a voltage of 325 VDC is required to create an arc between turns .0003 inches apart.

The surge test can actually be a predictive test, giving ample time for proper maintenance scheduling to replace the motor.
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2009, 01:24:50 AM »

sir t.y. po sa comment, so tama pala yung procedure ko na one by one testing each 6 line, and mali yung ginagawa ng katrabaho ko na pinagsasama nya pa yung mga terminal just to get the ohms and meg reading?

sir paki sagot naman po if mali yung procedure nya sa pag kuha ng meg and ohms ng motor...
or meron po ba kayo jan na naitatabi na standard procedure guide sa proper use of megger
para po kasi sakin mali yung ginagawa ng katrabaho ko na pinagsasama pa yung mga terminal saka kukuhanan ng ohms and meg...

how about the surge test sir? how it works and what kind or do we need special tester or yung megger tester nalng din po?
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« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2009, 10:55:08 AM »

ang pagkaka-alam ko dito is line to ground ang pag megger test.
para malaman kung sufficient pag ang insulation ng magnetic wire..

ok lang din naman kung pag-samahin niya yun.
kasi isang line lang din naman yung pinagsama niya..

isipin mo nalang na may 2motor na 3leads out. pero actually yung 3leads out na yun eh 6din ang laman nun na coil sa loob
kaya lang naging 3 nalang yung lumabas kasi naka connect na ito sa loob.. either wye or delta connection ang default ng motor.

kasi sa 6leads out meron ka option para is wye or i delta mo ito.. depende nalang sa iyo.. kaya sa isang banda hindi din mali ang ginawa ng mga kasamahan mo.  Cheesy kanya kanya diskarte kasi yan.. "para mabilis ba"  Cheesy
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« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2009, 11:14:12 AM »

Eh sir brian! Sa pag kuha po ng resistant o ung ohms po sa tingin ko po mali! Mrami npo kasi me pnangalingan na company at nkasamang mga2ling na tech. Sa kanya ko lang nakita yung ganung style kaya naman lhat ng testingin nya panaba2 na sa tingin ko ay ok pa nman.
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2009, 11:38:36 AM »

ganito nalang isipin mo para ma picture out mo..  Cheesy

isipin mo nalang na yung 6leads out na sinasabi mo eh ang pinagkaiba lang eh nakalabas lahat ng wire.
hindi tulad ng ibang induction motor na naka connect na ito..

pero kung titignan mo siya parehas lang din kahit pagsamahin nila yung 2coil diba.  Cheesy

EDIT: oopppss mali yung picture 2. dapat hindi sa line yung isa. sa ground din..  Smiley tamad na ako mag edit gutom na ako eh  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2009, 11:41:03 AM »

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pag pinaghiwa-hiwala pa nga yan eh 12leads out pa diba  Cheesy
isa pa hindi naman resistance ng coil ang i me-megger mo eh.. yung insulation ang i me-megger test mo  Cheesy
kaya kahit i series o parallel pa ang connection sa loob eh ok lang.  Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2009, 12:10:42 PM »

Hi guys ask lang po ng proper use and Proper megger/resistance OHMS test of three phase motor para po kasing may mali sa ginagawa ng iba kong ka trabaho!
Example po: in 6 leads out na 3 phase motor! When disconect na po lahat ha! Pinagsa2ma nila yung L1 & L6, L4&L2, L5&L3 saka nila kinukuhanan ng ohms and megger test! Tama po ba? Kasi diba sa ganung status eh! Naka parallel and winding so mas mababa nga ang maku2ha nila sa ohms! Tama po ba? Please help t.y....

It doesn't matter kung pinagsamasama nya yung mga leads. Kasi kaya nya siguro ginawa yung eh yung connection na yun ang kelangan nyo ng ohm reading. Ngayon kung ang required eh anung ohm reading ng kada coil eh di mo talaga kelangan i-tie in yung mga yun. Sa megger test naman eh wala naman problema kung pinagsama nya. As long na di bagsak sa standard nyo yung megger test eh ok lang. Ngayon kung merong fail sa megger test eh thats the time na paghiwalayin mo yung mga connection then dun mo malaman kung alin coil ang defective.

In short eh yung ginawa nya eh to shorten the time sa paggawa ng trabaho. Which is ok naman kung marami kang gagawin.

Sa standard ng megger test naman eh ang alam ko eh plus 1 lagi. Meaning kung meron kang motor na rated 230vac. Ang minimum megger test nya eh 1.23meg. Yun yung tanda ko sa mga past work ko sa abroad pag meron kaming mga test na ginagawa. At yun eh required nung contractor. Kaya depende pa rin nga yan sa required ng planta or contractor or client nyo....

Better consult the PEC para masagot lahat ng querry mo....

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2009, 12:30:33 PM »

agree ako sa maliliit na motor... pag nasa 70kw pataas kailangan talaga isa isa iti-test kasi masyado na mababa ang reading ng malalaking motor at depende yan sa edad ng motor. ngayon kung sama-sama mas mababa ang reading. halimbawa ang reading mo nasa 2 Mohms nakakaduda na yun di ba? sa mga ganitong sitwasyon it is not wise na i-send agad for rewinding dahil mahal pag malalaking motor... the sulotion ay i-test ng isa-isa... pag balance ang reading ok pa. kailangan lang lagyan ng insulation varnish at i-bake.
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2009, 12:51:43 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2009, 01:26:25 PM »

Tama si Ser Tolits. Pag malalaki ng motor at mga HV na motor eh iba ng usapan yun. Sa mga ganun eh eh mashado ng mababa ang resistance nila kaya kelangan eh accurate ang reading mo. Di na pwede dun yung i-tie in mo kada leads.  Same with megger test.

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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2009, 07:02:54 PM »

in good practice, hindi dapat pinagsasama-sama ang connections para mag-perform ng insulation and resistance test.
base dun sa connection nila na L1-L6, L2-L4, & L3-L5, lumalabas na delta connection (kung original connections pa yung motor), na maaaring ok sa insulation resistance test (not recommended) pero hindi sa (continuity, motor winding, or whatever you call it) resistance test.

any testing na gagawin sa electrical hindi dapat i-short-cut, kung maaari by-the-book lalo na kung lisensyado ka, dahil isang malaking pagkakamali lang maaaring masira ang reputasyon (or career) mo.

mostly, ang surge tester ay ginagamit sa mga new windings, rewound, or ng mga shop or motor manufacturers.  sa field service, kadalasan, megger test (insulation resistance) ang ginagamit.  ginagamit din ito sa predictive maintenance.  kung marami kayong ginagamit na motor at kaya namang bumili ng company nyo ng surge tester, it's a good investment.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2009, 05:51:13 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2009, 06:35:46 AM »

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Nadali nyo ung tanung ko! Sa ohms npo kasi me ngdu2da sa gawa ng ktrabaho ko! Mali kasi tlaga na pagsama samahin nya in delta status ska kuhanan ng OHMS kya masyado maba2 mga ohms nku2ha nya! Isa pa dati ginamit nyang png kuha ng ohms e ung multi tester lang kya lhat ng nkuha nya zero! Salamat po s nyo guys...
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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2009, 06:38:54 AM »

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Nadali nyo ung tanung ko! Sa ohms npo kasi me ngdu2da sa gawa ng ktrabaho ko! Mali kasi tlaga na pagsama samahin nya in delta status ska kuhanan ng OHMS kya masyado maba2 mga ohms nku2ha nya! Isa pa dati ginamit nyang png kuha ng ohms e ung multi tester lang kya lhat ng nkuha nya zero! Salamat po s nyo guys...
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2010, 07:41:12 PM »

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Nadali nyo ung tanung ko! Sa ohms npo kasi me ngdu2da sa gawa ng ktrabaho ko! Mali kasi tlaga na pagsama samahin nya in delta status ska kuhanan ng OHMS kya masyado maba2 mga ohms nku2ha nya! Isa pa dati ginamit nyang png kuha ng ohms e ung multi tester lang kya lhat ng nkuha nya zero! Salamat po s nyo guys...

sa amin hangang 60hp lng pwede namn gwn.pataas contractor n.ang alam ko pg malalakng motor n dapat milliohmeter n ang gagamitn.ano b passing pg winding resistance check?kelan ko msbi kng unbalance n?s planta kc iba iba kmi dahl hindi nka indicate s SOP
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