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« Reply #80 on: March 03, 2010, 08:55:15 PM »

ang galing sis coolet

detalyado talaga ah

uko masunog ang resthaws ko kz dun kita dadalhin

kaya sure ang electrical nun

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« Reply #81 on: March 03, 2010, 09:01:37 PM »

Tanong dyan sir kagawad eh. Kailangan huling inereset yung CB(on-off) switch? Kailan yung huling nabuksan yung CB Panel? Baka naman nung nakaraang limang taon. Kaya nga kapag CB gamit me maintenance dapat.

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« Reply #82 on: March 03, 2010, 09:04:24 PM »

ang galing sis coolet

detalyado talaga ah

uko masunog ang resthaws ko kz dun ko dadalhin si kePyas

kaya sure ang electrical nun



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« Reply #83 on: March 03, 2010, 09:04:46 PM »

One more thing,

Kahit anung mahal ng ginamit mong materials eh kung mali naman pag kabit or paggawa, useless din...
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« Reply #84 on: March 03, 2010, 09:15:53 PM »

One more thing,

Kahit anung mahal ng ginamit mong materials eh kung mali naman pag kabit or paggawa, useless din...

@ahlburuto
mga master electricians ang gumawa eh kaya alisin na yung suspetsa sa pagkakamali


@Jassharing
malamang ndi na nga napapansin yung breaker for a year


@swithart coolet

papawisan ka talaga
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« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2010, 09:24:41 PM »

@ahlburuto
mga master electricians ang gumawa eh kaya alisin na yung suspetsa sa pagkakamali = madaling sabihing master alactrician sis  Grin Grin Grin dati magtataho lang tapos naging helper ng isang araw.. then electrician na sya hehehe  Grin Grin Grin


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malamang ndi na nga napapansin yung breaker for a year = sang-ayon ako dito


@swithart kEpyas

papawisan talaga tayo kEpyas

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« Reply #86 on: March 03, 2010, 09:27:23 PM »

busit


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ot na pala tayo

ano pa kaya ng susunod na gagawing design bukod sa breaker?

dati fuse - breaker- ano kaya ang susunod?
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« Reply #87 on: March 03, 2010, 09:28:34 PM »

One more thing,

Kahit anung mahal ng ginamit mong materials eh kung mali naman pag kabit or paggawa, useless din...

korek sis... kailangan tamang splicing sa mga junction box... tamang connection sa outlet,switches at lightings. at tsaka meron maximum numbers ng outlet sa isang branch ganon din sa lighting.. tama po ba?  Grin
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« Reply #88 on: March 03, 2010, 09:31:31 PM »

busit ako wala pa si kePyas


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ot na pala tayo

ano pa kaya ng susunod na gagawing design bukod sa breaker?

dati fuse - breaker- ano kaya ang susunod?

hindi OT ito sis basahin mo uli title ng thread "tanong tungkol sa fuse/circuit breaker "
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« Reply #89 on: March 03, 2010, 09:31:58 PM »

korek sis... kailangan tamang splicing sa mga junction box... tamang connection sa outlet,switches at lightings. at tsaka meron maximum numbers ng outlet sa isang branch ganon din sa lighting.. tama po ba?  Grin

correct.... 3m tape eh subok na... sunog na cable eh yung tape andun pa din.... lalo na kung me rubber tape ka pang ilalagay...
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« Reply #90 on: March 03, 2010, 09:32:18 PM »

Kaya nga mas recommend ko na kapag gamit CB kasama na dyan maintenance check up. Kung pwede ireset nyo yung actuator switch nyan 2-4 times a year. Then bukas ng CB panel once every year for cleaning at matingnan kung luwag ng clip nyan o corroded na. Minsan yung clip nyan welded na gawa ng corrosion, natural oxidation at luwag na. At karaniwan kapag ganitong sitwasyon pati yung contact nya na gumagawa ng make at break contact welded na rin. Kaya ayun dahil sa kapabayaan ng may-ari at sa katitipid di nya alam welded na yung CB nya in time na may short di na bumibitaw yung contact dahil welded na. Kaya ang labas sunog. And also pala sa maintenance nito dapat icheck rin yung higpit nung screw nya sa conductor in due time kasi lumuluwag ito.

Just my opinion.
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« Reply #91 on: March 03, 2010, 09:41:13 PM »

Kaya nga mas recommend ko na kapag gamit CB kasama na dyan maintenance check up. Kung pwede ireset nyo yung actuator switch nyan 2-4 times a year. Then bukas ng CB panel once every year for cleaning at matingnan kung luwag ng clip nyan o corroded na. Minsan yung clip nyan welded na gawa ng corrosion, natural oxidation at luwag na. At karaniwan kapag ganitong sitwasyon pati yung contact nya na gumagawa ng make at break contact welded na rin. Kaya ayun dahil sa kapabayaan ng may-ari at sa katitipid di nya alam welded na yung CB nya in time na may short di na bumibitaw yung contact dahil welded na. Kaya ang labas sunog. And also pala sa maintenance nito dapat icheck rin yung higpit nung screw nya sa conductor in due time kasi lumuluwag ito.

Just my opinion.

If you are operating an industrial plant that require coordination protection, you use high kaic rated fuse or breaker.

If your application is a residential unit with no strict requirement for a maintenance program, use a low kaic breaker or fuse.

If you have a motor load that has high starting current, use a time-delay or slow blow fuse. So that you fuse will not blow during starting.

GFCI (Ground fault protection) is required in wet and outdoor areas to protect people from accidental electrocution. AFCI (Arc fault current interrupter) combined with GFCI is used in bedroom for added protection against fire and electrocution. Only breakers can be equipped with GFCI and AFCI. GFCI outlets are required in bedrooms, bathrooms, kitchen and wet hallways.
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« Reply #92 on: March 04, 2010, 01:14:53 PM »


Kaya next time maganda before you buy CB eh merong specs. Pero kung sa mga hardware eh mga delexi na brand yun or koten. Mga imitation ng miniature CB.

One more thing eh dapat tama ang size ng cable para sa required size ng CB.

Eto yung wire sizing according sa CB amp

14 awg       15 amp breaker
12 awg       20 amp breaker
10 awg       30 amp breaker
8 awg        40 amp breaker
6 awg        50 or 60 amp breaker
4 awg        75 amp breaker
3 awg        100 amp breaker

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hindi ba sir based yan sa TW type na wire not more than 3 conductor on raceway or conduit with ambient temperature of 30 deg. kasi mas malaki ang ampacity ng THHN. tagal nako hindi sumilip sa code not sure though.
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« Reply #93 on: March 04, 2010, 01:21:23 PM »

korek sis... kailangan tamang splicing sa mga junction box... tamang connection sa outlet,switches at lightings. at tsaka meron maximum numbers ng outlet sa isang branch ganon din sa lighting.. tama po ba?  Grin
yup... agree  Grin
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« Reply #94 on: March 05, 2010, 03:16:19 PM »

paano ba malalaman ang dapat na gamiting fuse/circuit breaker sa bahay?

estimate the fuse/CB rating based on wire ampacity...and estimate the wire size/ampacity based on loads.  madalas yata jan galing ang sunog from electrical fault kasi nasunog na ang wire. di pa rin nagtrip ang protection kasi oversized.

kaya kailangan na yung load current (A), ampacity of wire (A) and circuit breaker (AT) is nearest to each other.

add ko lang,

size of wire:
1. minimum size of wire for lighting load = #14AWG, max. 12pcs. connected in one branch circuit.
2. minimum size of wire for power load (convenience outlet - C.O.) = #12AWG, max. 10pcs. connected in one branch circuit.
3. aircon (ACU) = depende sa specs ng compressor, in FLA - full load current (tingnan mo na lang yung label o sticker ng aircon), pero sinusunod pa rin yung minimum size of wire for ACU na #10AWG.

total load current ng residential +125%, dito na dedepende yung size of wire mo (feeder line / service intrance) at yung main breaker (AT).

sa mga branch circuit breaker naman, nearest to the AT.

ampacity of wire (based on 3wires in a single race way):
1. #14AWG = 15amperes (TW)
2. #12AWG = 20amperes (TW)
3. #10AWG = 30amperes (TW)
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« Reply #95 on: March 05, 2010, 03:36:36 PM »

sa tanong na fuse o circuit breaker?

basta malapit ka sa ampacity ng wire at load current ay safe ka pa rin.

-fuse maganda gamitin, yun nga lang palit ka ng bago pag nag fuse-out.
-cicuit breaker naman, maganda rin gamitin kasi pag nag trip, "off" mo lang at saka mo e "on" ulit ay gagana na naman. BUT, yung mga circuit breaker ay hindi advisable na palaging nag titrip, may maximum times lang ito ng trip, paglumampas kana dun ay nagiinit na ang cicuit breaker kahit pa tama naman yung mga load mo. nasusunog kasi yung contact point. maganda kung hihipuan mo yung circuit breakker kung umiinit ba.

*sumunod sa mga standard ng pilipinas (PEC o NEC) para ma tiyak mo na safe ka.
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« Reply #96 on: March 05, 2010, 05:47:53 PM »

sa tanong na fuse o circuit breaker?

basta malapit ka sa ampacity ng wire at load current ay safe ka pa rin.

-fuse maganda gamitin, yun nga lang palit ka ng bago pag nag fuse-out.
-cicuit breaker naman, maganda rin gamitin kasi pag nag trip, "off" mo lang at saka mo e "on" ulit ay gagana na naman. BUT, yung mga circuit breaker ay hindi advisable na palaging nag titrip, may maximum times lang ito ng trip, paglumampas kana dun ay nagiinit na ang cicuit breaker kahit pa tama naman yung mga load mo. nasusunog kasi yung contact point. maganda kung hihipuan mo yung circuit breakker kung umiinit ba.

*sumunod sa mga standard ng pilipinas (PEC o NEC) para ma tiyak mo na safe ka.

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*sumunod sa mga standard ng pilipinas (PEC o NEC) para ma tiyak mo na safe ka.
strongly agree ako dyan
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« Reply #98 on: March 05, 2010, 06:26:12 PM »


BUT, yung mga circuit breaker ay hindi advisable na palaging nag titrip, may maximum times lang ito ng trip, paglumampas kana dun ay nagiinit na ang cicuit breaker kahit pa tama naman yung mga load mo. nasusunog kasi yung contact point. maganda kung hihipuan mo yung circuit breakker kung umiinit ba.

*sumunod sa mga standard ng pilipinas (PEC o NEC) para ma tiyak mo na safe ka.

something wrong kung palaging nagti-trip ang breaker.  Huh
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« Reply #99 on: March 05, 2010, 06:28:27 PM »


ang ganda ni dadi coolet ah

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